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Two Books and Some Reflection
    March 2009

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I read two interesting books about “god” and religion which appeared in 2008. The God Delusion is a paperback version of a 2006 book by Richard Dawkins. The book With or Without God – why the way we live is more important than what we believe is by United Church of Canada Minister, Gretta Vosper.

Although I have some issues with Dawkins, for the most part I enjoyed his book. Dawkins has particular issues with the evangelical Christian tradition and creationism which are at odds with natural selection and Darwin. He is more concerned about a belief in "god" and is at his best dismissing arguments in favour of the existence of “god” and presenting arguments why there is almost certainly no “god.” Dawkins does not explore how people's beliefs relates to what they do and it may be that what people believe about “god” matters little. Dawkins is not good at examining where religion comes from, so his arguments favouring no religion are not convincing. After all, not every religion even believes in one or more gods. Like the evangelical tradition he criticises, he views scripture as a current legal code, relevant and to be followed. He does not allow that scripture is an ancient community history written & edited over time within a religious tradition. I don’t find it convincing to argue that religion is to be banished because two religions are linked to people who blow themselves up or shoot abortion doctors. Dawkins assumes rather than shows that religion is worse than other factors. Religious communities have the normal human mix of good and bad. There are saintly people too.

Dawkins seems unduly preoccupied with a 1960’s era science versus religion battle. Community political life is just not particularly logical or scientific. Testing hypotheses by scientific inquiry has transformed the world and can inform what we “believe.” Nonetheless, Dawkins assumes too easily that science is “good.” Perhaps it would be more reasonable to view both science and religion as contributors to the mixed human political story of devastating wars and cultural triumphs.

Vosper is in the questioning part of a more liberal Christian tradition. She is critical of beliefs like the end of the world in flames, the prophet Jesus as a human sacrifice and the afterlife. She speaks from within a religious tradition trying to deal with the evidence of science and scholarship and her wider society's moral norms. Vosper would agree with much of what Dawkins criticises about the inherited myths of the Christian tradition. She calls for a ruthless kind of honesty so that the word “god” need not be uttered if that might exclude people, but she nonetheless believes that her church should be salvaged. It should be salvaged because, she suggests, the church is well placed to bring change for the better to the world. She also assumes that some form of prayer is a useful activity. Neither of these are argued rigorously. The book agonizes over how the church might continue and ends with samples of church prayer service materials for use with or without “god.” Vosper’s title shows she understands that what we do matters most. For me it follows that what we believe should matter little. Indeed I do not know what "believe" means to people when they use the phrase "we believe ..." in a church community recitation. Yet Vosper seems unduly concerned that people in her church may believe the myths which science renders improbable and must be shown the error of their ways.

In the end, I suspect few will care about what a tiny community of believers do together. It is when the activity reaches the level of advocating with the ruler and the overall politics of a polity that what believers do together matters.[1] Both books miss articulating this dimension of a major religion. From the beginnings of recorded history in the axial age, what we now refer to as “religion” has been associated with alternative politics for the governing of people in groups larger than small village settlements.[2] Both books fail to explore the significance for our world of a shared, mixed, religious and political history. Myths and particular group perspectives on history seem to me to be norms of political life.[3] Religion is part of that. Science may be important, but it plays a limited part in the crucial political theatre which leads communities of humanity in the ways of war or of peace, of sustainable economics or of slash and burn harvesting.

The failure to see religion as an aspect of myth driven politics causes Dawkins to miss an important point. He is horrified that an inter-faith school should regard it as a success to have Muslim Shaquille and Christian Clare debating – “the Koran is true” – “no the bible is true” - because in the end “then they went to lunch.” I can’t say I love or hate this school, but I don’t find this account of arguing students too horrifying. This behaviour may be unscientific and apparently futile, but it bears much similarity to how international political discussions around real world conflicts play out. People simply are irrational and obstinate and tenacious of their group myths. Our world just won’t be around if we wait for science to miraculously end that, as Dawkins fondly hopes it will. To have people with incompatible positions having lunch together can only be viewed as positive.

For me, major religions – including a church – are traditions tangled up in the politics of government with other religions. In this mix with government, alongside the negatives Dawkins points to, religious people have contributed scholarship, have developed science and have promoted a kind of egalitarianism which has extended education and empowerment to all classes of people. This notion of religion goes beyond the detail of beliefs in a particular religious community and it goes beyond the issue of whether or not “god” exists, as Vosper would agree. Major contributions to the evolution of science and humanitarianism have come from people in communities professing irrational formal beliefs. If there is a “god,” she personifies something spanning humanity which speaks to persons in a religious community about where humanity is going at that moment and what they should do about it - politically.



[1] When Vosper describes major national church structures coming together to generate public understanding and concern about freshwater supplies she is describing activities comparable with the work of the ancient axial age prophet Amos who challenged his ruler about the treatment of the poor in his society. Dawkins gets incensed about creationism because it touches the school system in large political units – a state in the US and a school in the UK.

[2] Several centuries BCE, there is the story of ancient Israel and its prophetic age where prophets challenged the politics of the king. There is also the tale of the Buddha, part of the ruling elite setting off to find another way. There are accounts of Chinese political figures who established religious movements. In addition Karen Armstrong, who does popular writing on such matters, treats the blend of science and religion of the ancient Greeks as an axial age religious movement. This of course lead into the Macedonian ruler Alexander’s blend of expedition of exploration and march of military conquest at the beginning of recorded human history. The 1st century Christian movement was an echo of axial age Judaism. The 9th century Muslim movement was an even later echo in the context of Christianity and then contemporary Judaism. These major religious movements were tied to, and often a counterpoint to, the centralised forms of government. In some of these situations, religion was tied directly to government. For example in the Roman world, the early emperors were also treated as a “god.” The present dominant forms of the ruler-religion counterpoint put religion at arms length from the ruler although there is an uneasy mutual coexistence with varying forms of interference of the one with the other. The notion of an “opposition” party makes sense within this dynamic.

[3] The Greek view of Greek history is not the Turkish view. Religion accounts for part of the difference. The Scottish view of Scotland’s history is not the English view. Religion cannot be a huge factor, but feelings still run high. The Soviet era history of human abuses was, to me,  a mix of religious style beliefs and politics, but this mix did not include “the god delusion.”


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